Essos Азор Ахай

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Кто есть Азор Ахай (Azor Ahai)

  1. Дэйнерис Таргариен

    22,8%
  2. Джон Сноу

    44,0%
  3. Брандон Старк

    3,6%
  4. Станнис Баратеон

    4,1%
  5. Тирион Ланнистер

    1,4%
  6. Давос Сиворт

    2,8%
  7. Эйгон Таргариен

    2,0%
  8. vacant

    4,5%
  9. vacant

    0,9%
  10. Никто, это всё сказки и мифы

    13,9%
  1. Solidblack

    Solidblack Межевой рыцарь

    Давайте определимся, кто же у нас станет новым Азор Ахаем, а выводы с рекомендациями вышлем потом Мартину для имплементации в сюжетную линию.
    Голосовалка прилагается. Если вы полагаете, что кто-то, кого нет в списке, вы пишите просто свой вариант и мотивируете его. Если доводы окажутся вполне разумными, то у нас две вакансии свободны, добавим:)

    Азор Ахай - мелисандрова идея-фикс. Всем остальным по-моему пофиг. И может так получиться, что этот самый АА - фейк, и никто там возрождаться и не собирался.
     
  2. Westerosi

    Westerosi Знаменосец

    Давайте определимся, кто же у нас станет новым Азор Ахаем, а выводы с рекомендациями вышлем потом Мартину для имплементации в сюжетную линию.
    Голосовалка прилагается. Если вы полагаете, что кто-то, кого нет в списке, вы пишите просто свой вариант и мотивируете его. Если доводы окажутся вполне разумными, то у нас две вакансии свободны, добавим:)
     
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  3. Solidblack

    Solidblack Межевой рыцарь

    Перерождение Азора Ахая труднодоказуемо, так что проголосовал за "Никто".
     
  4. Rianna

    Rianna Знаменосец

    Разрываюсь между Дени и Джоном. Одна вроде под пророчество подходит, а другого Мелисандра видела в огне, когда пыталась увидеть АА.
     
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  5. Dargl

    Dargl Знаменосец

    Сандор? Такого я раньше ещё не слышала..:confused: Но прикольно.:oh:
     
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  6. Westerosi

    Westerosi Знаменосец

    У буржуев французских на их форумах кстати самая популярная кандидатура после Дэни;) Там столько аргументов...
     
  7. Rianna

    Rianna Знаменосец

    Серьезно?:confused: Неожиданный поворот сюжета! А самые популярные аргументы можете назвать, если не сложно, конечно? А то уж больно интересно. :)
     
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  8. Лаэлли

    Лаэлли Знаменосец

    А можно попросить включить вариант: АА един во многих лицах?
    Честно говоря, учитывая, сколько народу подходит под это пророчество, и какие расхождения в версиях у видящих в пламени, начинаю подозреать, что либо АА несколько, либо пока у нас есть "потенциальные" АА, которые подходят под условия, но останется, аки МакЛауд, только один.
     
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  9. Westerosi

    Westerosi Знаменосец

    Пожалуйста, мотивируйте со ссылками на текст. А то места два всего, конкурс большой.
     
  10. Solidblack

    Solidblack Межевой рыцарь

    Если провести аналогию с поисковиками, то на запрос "Азор Ахай" Мелисандра получает самого релевантного на тот момент персонажа, сначала был Станнис, потом Джон Сноу... Поисковая выдача такая непостоянная :)
     
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  11. Лаэлли

    Лаэлли Знаменосец

    Westerosi, что нам вообще известно по Азору?
    1) рожден среди соли и дыма. Подходит Дени (ДК, + перерождение как Матери Драконов в огне, а если ДК - вулкан, так он сам по себе место соли и дыма). Подходят Давос, Бронн ("переродился" после битвы рыцарем), Тирион, с натяжкой Станнис - Черноводная, соль (слезы?) и дым. Сандор Клиган - личность Пса сформировался из-за огня, с солью сложнее. Джон под этот пункт как-то не очень. Хотя кто знает? (Там надо внимательнее смотреть сцену, где его закололи и предшествующее ей) Под соль еще хорошо Мокроголовый подходит, но тут надо куда-то дым "прилепить".
    2) под красной звездой? Джон в "Танце" - кровавая звезда - разорванный великаном рыцарь со звездами в гербе. Остальные - ? Ну, во время Черноводной вроде комета еще была, но вопросы остаются.
    3) вынет из огня горящий меч. Варианты: метафора драконов, Длинный коготь (валирийская - драконова сталь, получил за то, что сжег упыря в Башне Мормонта), у Станниса есть заколдованный Мел меч. С остальными сложнее. Хотя у Сандора меч - как метафора пути воина, действительно - "из огня".
    4) Пробудить драконов из камня. Не понятно, правда, к чему это к пророчеству об АА, но да ладно. Тут пока только Дени справилась.
    100% всем условиям никто не удовлетворяет, но ближе к "идеалу" - Дени и Джон.
    5) В пламени Мел видит сначала Станниса или что-то с ним связанное, потом Джона, Бенерро, Мокорро и иже с ними - Дени (или решили ,что она АА из-за драконов), Кроворон, который вроде как тоже хочет к спасению мира примазаться, молчит как партизан, Торос ни черта не видит, сам Станнис (а его капли драконьей крови таки могло хватить на пару видений) видел "короля с огненной короной на челе, и он горел... горел, Давос. Собственная корона пожирала его плоть и обращала его в пепел".
     
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  12. Premier

    Premier Наемник

    Эйемон говорил что от меча должно исходить тепло.
    Т.е. АА должен проткнуть какую то женщину, и меч его станет горящим.
    Очень надеюсь что Джон проткнет Дени своим валирийским мечом, и меч его станет горящим.
     
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  13. Rianna

    Rianna Знаменосец

    Лучше пусть Станнис Селису проткнет, хоть какая-то польза от меча.:not guilty:
     
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  14. Premier

    Premier Наемник

    Ну меч может стать горящим в двух случаях.
    У Дени иммунитет к огню, может сработать.
    Второе это он проткнет какую нибудь мертвую девушку в синими глазами, она загорится и жар перейдет в меч.
    Но тогда все будут тыкать валирийскими мечами мертвяков, и могут заиметь такие же мечи.
    Значит это будет какой то особенный мертвяк.
    Может быть дочка Станниса, или умершая Дени.

    p.s. Почему дочка Станниса, так как она переболела, а одичалые все равно считают ее мертвой. Хотя Дени подходит лучше, она не горит, а все мертвяки горят, от такой безысходности может огонь и полезет в меч.
     
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  15. Solidblack

    Solidblack Межевой рыцарь

    Пусть в колонну становятся. По двое, по трое быстрее протыкать. ;)
     
  16. Rianna

    Rianna Знаменосец

    Предлагаю кандидатуру Пестряка, кстати. Уж больно он подозрительный.:meow:
     
  17. Dargl

    Dargl Знаменосец

    В Ахаи? Мне нравится - поддерживаю.:not-care:
     
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  18. Westerosi

    Westerosi Знаменосец

    Вот, решил собрать воедино всё, что в пяти книгах об Азор Ахае говорится. Может, упустил что. В Игре престолов о нём ни слова нет.
    1) Melisandre was robed all in scarlet satin and blood velvet, her eyes as red as the great ruby that glistened at her throat as if it too were afire. “In ancient books of Asshai it is written that there will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.” She lifted her voice, so it carried out over the gathered host. “Azor Ahai, beloved of R’hllor! The Warrior of Light, the Son of Fire! Come forth, your sword awaits you! Come forth and take it into your hand!”

    2) “Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black,” Patchface sang somewhere. “I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.”
    The king plunged into the fire with his teeth clenched, holding the leather cloak before him to keep off the flames. He went straight to the Mother, grasped the sword with his gloved hand, and wrenched it free of the burning wood with a single hard jerk. Then he was retreating, the sword held high, jade-green flames swirling around cherry-red steel. Guards rushed to beat out the cinders that clung to the king’s clothing.
    “A sword of fire!” shouted Queen Selyse. Ser Axell Florent and the other queen’s men took up the cry. “A sword of fire! It burns! It burns! A sword of fire!”
    Melisandre lifted her hands above her head. “Behold! A sign was promised, and now a sign is seen! Behold Lightbringer! Azor Ahai has come again! All hail the Warrior of Light! All hail the Son of Fire!”

    3) “Burnt,” said Salladhor Saan, “and be glad of that, my friend. Do you know the tale of the forging of Lightbringer? I shall tell it to you. It was a time when darkness lay heavy on the world. To oppose it, the hero must have a hero’s blade, oh, like none that had ever been. And so for thirty days and thirty nights Azor Ahai labored sleepless in the temple, forging a blade in the sacred fires. Heat and hammer and fold, heat and hammer and fold, oh, yes, until the sword was done. Yet when he plunged it into water to temper the steel it burst asunder.
    “Being a hero, it was not for him to shrug and go in search of excellent grapes such as these, so again he began. The second time it took him fifty days and fifty nights, and this sword seemed even finer than the first. Azor Ahai captured a lion, to temper the blade by plunging it through the beast’s red heart, but once more the steel shattered and split. Great was his woe and great was his sorrow then, for he knew what he must do.
    “A hundred days and a hundred nights he labored on the third blade, and as it glowed white-hot in the sacred fires, he summoned his wife. ‘Nissa Nissa,’ he said to her, for that was her name, ‘bare your breast, and know that I love you best of all that is in this world.’ She did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the smoking sword through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel. Such is the tale of the forging of Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes.
    “Now do you see my meaning? Be glad that it is just a burnt sword that His Grace pulled from that fire. Too much light can hurt the eyes, my friend, and fire burns.” Salladhor Saan finished the last grape and smacked his lips. “When do you think the king will bid us sail, good ser?”
    1) “It is night in your Seven Kingdoms now,” the red woman went on, “but soon the sun will rise again. The war continues, Davos Seaworth, and some will soon learn that even an ember in the ashes can still ignite a great blaze. The old maester looked at Stannis and saw only a man. You see a king. You are both wrong. He is the Lord’s chosen, the warrior of fire. I have seen him leading the fight against the dark, I have seen it in the flames. The flames do not lie, else you would not be here. It is written in prophecy as well. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. The bleeding star has come and gone, and Dragonstone is the place of smoke and salt. Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai reborn!” Her red eyes blazed like twin fires, and seemed to stare deep into his soul. “You do not believe me. You doubt the truth of R’hllor even now… yet have served him all the same, and will serve him again. I shall leave you here to think on all that I have told you. And because R’hllor is the source of all good, I shall leave the torch as well.”

    2) Davos was remembering a tale Salladhor Saan had told him, of how Azor Ahai tempered Lightbringer by thrusting it through the heart of the wife he loved. He slew his wife to fight the dark. If Stannis is Azor Ahai come again, does that mean Edric Storm must play the part of Nissa Nissa? …
    Soon comes the cold, whispered Melisandre, and the night that never ends. “Troubling,” said Davos. “Too… troubling. A different letter, please.”

    3) Melisandre said, “Azor Ahai tempered Lightbringer with the heart’s blood of his own beloved wife. If a man with a thousand cows gives one to god, that is nothing. But a man who offers the only cow he owns…”
    “She talks of cows,” Davos told the king. “I am speaking of a boy, your daughter’s friend, your brother’s son.”

    4) King Stannis gazed off north again, his gold cloak streaming from his shoulders. “It may be that I am mistaken in you, Jon Snow. We both know the things that are said of bastards. You may lack your father’s honor, or your brother’s skill in arms. But you are the weapon the Lord has given me. I have found you here, as you found the cache of dragonglass beneath the Fist, and I mean to make use of you. Even Azor Ahai did not win his war alone. I killed a thousand wildlings, took another thousand captive, and scattered the rest, but we both know they will return. Melisandre has seen that in her fires. This Tormund Thunderfist is likely re-forming them even now, and planning some new assault. And the more we bleed each other, the weaker we shall all be when the real enemy falls upon us.”

    5) “He stands before you,” Melisandre declared, “though you do not have the eyes to see. Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai come again, the warrior of fire. In him the prophecies are fulfilled. The red comet blazed across the sky to herald his coming, and he bears Lightbringer, the red sword of heroes.”
    Her words seemed to make the king desperately uncomfortable, Sam saw. Stannis ground his teeth, and said, “You called and I came, my lords. Now you must live with me, or die with me. Best get used to that.” He made a brusque gesture. “That’s all. Maester, stay a moment. And you, Tarly. The rest of you may go.”

    6) Maester Aemon smiled. “Your Grace,” he said, “before we go, I wonder if you would do us the great honor of showing us this wondrous blade we have all heard so very much of.”
    “You want to see Lightbringer? A blind man?”
    “Sam shall be my eyes.”
    The king frowned. “Everyone else has seen the thing, why not a blind man?” His swordbelt and scabbard hung from a peg near the hearth. He took the belt down and drew the longsword out. Steel scraped against wood and leather, and radiance filled the solar; shimmering, shifting, a dance of gold and orange and red light, all the bright colors of fire.
    “Tell me, Samwell.” Maester Aemon touched his arm.
    “It glows,” said Sam, in a hushed voice. “As if it were on fire. There are no flames, but the steel is yellow and red and orange, all flashing and glimmering, like sunshine on water, but prettier. I wish you could see it, Maester.”
    “I see it now, Sam. A sword full of sunlight. So lovely to behold.” The old man bowed stiffly. “Your Grace. My lady. This was most kind of you.”
    When King Stannis sheathed the shining sword, the room seemed to grow very dark, despite the sunlight streaming through the window.

    Maester Aemon was lost in thought as Sam helped him down the narrow turnpike stair. But as they were crossing the yard, he said, “I felt no heat. Did you, Sam?”
    “Heat? From the sword?” He thought back. “The air around it was shimmering, the way it does above a hot brazier.”
    “Yet you felt no heat, did you? And the scabbard that held this sword, it is wood and leather, yes? I heard the sound when His Grace drew out the blade. Was the leather scorched, Sam? Did the wood seem burnt or blackened?”
    “No,” Sam admitted. “Not that I could see.”
    Maester Aemon nodded. Back in his own chambers, he asked Sam to set a fire and help him to his chair beside the hearth. “It is hard to be so old,” he sighed as he settled onto the cushion. “And harder still to be so blind. I miss the sun. And books. I miss books most of all.” Aemon waved a hand. “I shall have no more need of you till the choosing.”
    1) “No,” the old man said. “It must be you. Tell them. The prophecy… my brother’s dream… Lady Melisandre has misread the signs. Stannis… Stannis has some of the dragon blood in him, yes. His brothers did as well. Rhaelle, Egg’s little girl, she was how they came by it… their father’s mother… she used to call me Uncle Maester when she was a little girl. I remembered that, so I allowed myself to hope… perhaps I wanted to… we all deceive ourselves, when we want to believe. Melisandre most of all, I think. The sword is wrong, she has to know that… light without heat… an empty glamor… the sword is wrong, and the false light can only lead us deeper into darkness, Sam. Daenerys is our hope. Tell them that, at the Citadel. Make them listen. They must send her a maester. Daenerys must be counseled, taught,protected. For all these years I’ve lingered, waiting, watching, and now that the day has dawned I am too old. I am dying, Sam.”

    2) He was not a man to be refused. Sam hesitated a moment, then told his tale again as Marywn, Alleras, and the other novice listened. “Maester Aemon believed that Daenerys Targaryen was the fulfillment of a prophecy… her, not Stannis, nor Prince Rhaegar, nor the princeling whose head was dashed against the wall.”
    “Born amidst salt and smoke, beneath a bleeding star. I know the prophecy.” Marwyn turned his head and spat a gob of red phlegm onto the floor. “Not that I would trust it. Gorghan of Old Ghis once wrote that a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is… and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy, said Gorghan. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time.” He chewed a bit. “Still…
    1) “The Horn of Joramun?” Melisandre said. “No. Call it the Horn of Darkness. If the Wall falls, night falls as well, the long night that never ends. It must not happen, will not happen! The Lord of Light has seen his children in their peril and sent a champion to them, Azor Ahai reborn.” She swept a hand toward Stannis, and the great ruby at her throat pulsed with light.

    2) “He would know.” Aemon Targaryen had seen nine kings upon the Iron Throne. He had been a king’s son, a king’s brother, a king’s uncle. “I looked at that book Maester Aemon left me. TheJade Compendium. The pages that told of Azor Ahai. Lightbringer was his sword. Tempered with his wife’s blood if Votar can be believed. Thereafter Lightbringer was never cold to the touch, but warm as Nissa Nissa had been warm. In battle the blade burned fiery hot. Once Azor Ahai fought a monster. When he thrust the sword through the belly of the beast, its blood began to boil. Smoke and steam poured from its mouth, its eyes melted and dribbled down its cheeks, and its body burst into flame.”
    Clydas blinked. “A sword that makes its own heat …”
    “… would be a fine thing on the Wall.” Jon put aside his wine cup and drew on his black moleskin gloves. “A pity that the sword that Stannis wields is cold. I’ll be curious to see how hisLightbringer behaves in battle. Thank you for the wine.

    3) Haldon nodded. “Benerro has sent forth the word from Volantis. Her coming is the fulfillment of an ancient prophecy. From smoke and salt was she born to make the world anew. She is Azor Ahai returned … and her triumph over darkness will bring a summer that will never end … death itself will bend its knee, and all those who die fighting in her cause shall be reborn …”
    “Do I have to be reborn in this same body?” asked Tyrion.

    4) The red priestess closed her eyes and said a prayer, then opened them once more to face the hearthfire. One more time. She had to be certain. Many a priest and priestess before her had been brought down by false visions, by seeing what they wished to see instead of what the Lord of Light had sent. Stannis was marching south into peril, the king who carried the fate of the world upon his shoulders, Azor Ahai reborn. Surely R’hllor would vouchsafe her a glimpse of what awaited him. Show me Stannis, Lord, she prayed. Show me your king, your instrument.

    5) Visions danced before her, gold and scarlet, flickering, forming and melting and dissolving into one another, shapes strange and terrifying and seductive. She saw the eyeless faces again, staring out at her from sockets weeping blood. Then the towers by the sea, crumbling as the dark tide came sweeping over them, rising from the depths. Shadows in the shape of skulls, skulls that turned to mist, bodies locked together in lust, writhing and rolling and clawing. Through curtains of fire great winged shadows wheeled against a hard blue sky.

    6) Yet now she could not even seem to find her king. I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow.“Devan,” she called, “a drink.” Her throat was raw and parched.

    7) “He is not dead. Stannis is the Lord’s chosen, destined to lead the fight against the dark. I have seen it in the flames, read of it in ancient prophecy. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. Dragon-stone is the place of smoke and salt.”
    Jon had heard all this before. “Stannis Baratheon was the Lord of Drag-onstone, but he was not born there. He was born at Storm’s End, like his brothers.” He frowned.
     
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  19. Lestarh

    Lestarh Знаменосец

    А Давос то как в этот пункт попал?

    Я по наивности своей думаю, что он видел сцену всего лишь казни Визериса...

    Весьма подозрительный... Но я бы скорее как-то связывал его с морскими богами коих в саге довольно много.

    Не какую-то... Насколько я понимаю там суть не в том, что женщина, а в том, что ради меча пришлось пожертвовать самым дорогим, что у него было.
     
  20. glagolitistiny

    glagolitistiny Наемник

    скорее всего дени......но может быть и джон других вариантов нету разве что этого азора акхая вообще нету
     
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