Fut
Знаменосец
Вот только Вестерос это не страна. Это континент с семью государствами.
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На форуме «7Королевств» обсуждаем книги серии «Песнь Льда и Пламени», ждем «Ветра зимы», смотрим вместе сериал «Игра престолов» и «Дом драконов», делимся фанатским творчеством, организуем переводы, работу над энциклопедией и другие начинания фанатов. Строго для фанатов!
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«Пламя и кровь» (Сильмартиллион, GRRMarillion) [СПОЙЛЕРЫ]
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Fut
Знаменосец
Говорите в защиту тех, кто единственные могли воевать с воздуха.
Драконы не нужны.
LadyWinter
Знаменосец
Неправильный пример. Правильный: паренёк в ответ начал оскорблять и бить отца. В роли отца Тарги. Хотя нет, так тоже неправильно. Не отца, а постороннего взрослого сильного мужика, который начал метелить подростка. Вот, теперь аналогия верна.
Fut
Знаменосец
Еще лучше объявить 4 мировую за объединение всех материков пока не объявится 1 победитель, а все остальные страны прекратят свое существование.
А Таргариенам вообще следовало вести непрекращающуюся войну с Эссосом. Пока весь не завоюют.
assec
Знаменосец
А это не его народ. Его народ в Валирии. Это завоевание рабы. Он их и гонит на убой. Как Чингисхан. Ему более дорога рука Ориса и сестра, чем тысячи вестеросцев.
Dora Dorn
Лорд
Да, потому что это чисто религиозные обычаи. Обычаи дорнийцев, поклоняющихся "стандартной" Семерке, либо не имеют к религии отношения, либо вообще противоречат официальной позиции Веры.
Убийца Матрешек
Знаменосец
Замечание хранителя:
Обсуждение Дорна и борьбу с ним Таргариенов переехало в соседнюю тему. Рекомендую не оффтопить
Обсуждение Дорна и борьбу с ним Таргариенов переехало в соседнюю тему. Рекомендую не оффтопить
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Daena
Знаменосец
Отрывок, который перевели иносми
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-rr-martins-new-book-fire-and-blood-2jdrhqwjf
Нужна регистрация
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-rr-martins-new-book-fire-and-blood-2jdrhqwjf
Нужна регистрация
Daena
Знаменосец
Всю книгу скоро соберем. Кто знает датский?
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/9xqs27/spoilers_extended_anyone_know_any_danish_another/
Краткий перевод: Джейхейрис узнал, что его дочка Сейра слаба на передок. Она с детства была жадной, манипулирующей, требовательной и амбициозной, мечтала быть королевой, и говорила, что ради этого может выйти за Короля За Стеной. У нее было три ухажера - Коннингтон, Бисбри и Мутон, и Джейхейриса они все устраивали, и он был не против, чтобы она вышла за одного из них. Однажды ее вместе со всеми тремя застали в борделе, где они подшучивали над другими. Король спросил ее, отдала ли она одному из них свое девичество, а та спокойно ответила, что всем трем, и все трое думают, что они первые - "Парни такие дураки". Дальше страницы отсутствуют, что стало с Мутоном непонятно, Коннингтона убила шлюха в таверне, а Бисбери дали выбор - или ему отрежут нос и язык и переломают все кости до единой, или он согласится на дуэль до смерти с самим королем, которому было уже 49. Джейхейрис защищался, пока Шмель (его прозвище) не устал так, что не мог больше поднять руки с мечом, и Джейхерис воткнул меч ему в глаз.
Сейру отправили в Молчаливые Сестры, но Сейра сбежала, и через некоторое время ее обнаружили в лисенийском борделе. Алисанна воскликнула: "Мою дочь сделали шлюхой!", а Джейхейрис ответил: "Она всегда ей была".
Визерра была помолвлена с Теомором Мандерли, старым и толстым четырежды вдовцом, и Визерра не была этим довольна. Она тоже хотела быть королевой.
Еще говорят, что Четвертая Дорнийская Война продлилась всего один день. Сказано еще, что наследника Аларика звали Уолтон
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/9xqs27/spoilers_extended_anyone_know_any_danish_another/
Краткий перевод: Джейхейрис узнал, что его дочка Сейра слаба на передок. Она с детства была жадной, манипулирующей, требовательной и амбициозной, мечтала быть королевой, и говорила, что ради этого может выйти за Короля За Стеной. У нее было три ухажера - Коннингтон, Бисбри и Мутон, и Джейхейриса они все устраивали, и он был не против, чтобы она вышла за одного из них. Однажды ее вместе со всеми тремя застали в борделе, где они подшучивали над другими. Король спросил ее, отдала ли она одному из них свое девичество, а та спокойно ответила, что всем трем, и все трое думают, что они первые - "Парни такие дураки". Дальше страницы отсутствуют, что стало с Мутоном непонятно, Коннингтона убила шлюха в таверне, а Бисбери дали выбор - или ему отрежут нос и язык и переломают все кости до единой, или он согласится на дуэль до смерти с самим королем, которому было уже 49. Джейхейрис защищался, пока Шмель (его прозвище) не устал так, что не мог больше поднять руки с мечом, и Джейхерис воткнул меч ему в глаз.
Сейру отправили в Молчаливые Сестры, но Сейра сбежала, и через некоторое время ее обнаружили в лисенийском борделе. Алисанна воскликнула: "Мою дочь сделали шлюхой!", а Джейхейрис ответил: "Она всегда ей была".
Визерра была помолвлена с Теомором Мандерли, старым и толстым четырежды вдовцом, и Визерра не была этим довольна. Она тоже хотела быть королевой.
Еще говорят, что Четвертая Дорнийская Война продлилась всего один день. Сказано еще, что наследника Аларика звали Уолтон
Меда
Удалившийся
Горько!
Осталось узнать, что Мейгель свела в могилу совсем не серая хворь, а ... венерическое заболевание, а Дейла не умерла родами, а сбежала, бросив дочь, отцами которой называлась вся мужская часть Долины
Shtee
Знаменосец
Seems like Jaehaerys had some battle with the Faith Militant.
The mad Prince Morion Martell had a crazy the plan to invade the Stormland by sea. Building the first fleet in thousands of years since Nymeria, Jaehaerys knew his assault plan half a year before Morion sailed. And Morion three dragons waited his fleet at sea. One after another the ships went up in flames. They were still burning when the sun went down, "like a hundred lightning spikes fleeing on the water." There were burned bodies on the Cape Wrath coasts for half a year thereafter, but no living Dornishmen ever set foot on the shores of Stormland. Even Aegon the Conqueror had never won a war without losing a single man.
Daella's death is the seed for the First Quarrel.
Saera smuggled cats into Daella's bedroom, filled Daella's night pot with bees, stole all the white cloaks she could find and colored them shining. At 13 she told the king that she was planning to marry the prince of Dorne, or perhaps the King of the Wall, so she could be queen like her mother. At 15 she turned her eyes: why the dreams of fiery monarchs, when she could have as many great armed men and knights as she wanted? After got caught in the whorehouse and questioned before her parents, she said, "I'd like to get married, why did not I? You were already married when you were my age. But with whom? Jonah and Roy both love me so I could take either of them, but they are the pure puppies. The Wasp does not love me, but he makes me smile, and sometimes he makes me scream. I could marry them all three, why not? Why are you just having a single husband? Aegon had two wives, and Maegor had six or eight." She had gone too far. Jaehaerys got up and stepped down from the Iron throne, face trembling with anger. "Do you compare yourself with Maegor? Is that what you aim for? Get her back to her sleep comfort," he commanded his guards. "And let her stay there until I send her a message."
Jonah and Roy were exiled, and Jaehaerys told Braxten Beesbury, "I could have you castrate and sent to the wall, that was what I did to Sir Lucamore, and he was a better man than you. I could take your father's land, but there would be no justice. He had no part in what you did. But we also can not let you go and spread rumors about my daughter so we intend to take your tongue. And your nose as well, I think, so you get a little harder to contemplate young ladies. You are too proud of your skills with swords and lances, so we will also take that away from you. We're going to break your arms and legs, and my maesters will make sure they are twisted back together." So Braxten chose trial by combat.
After that Jaehaerys became the "Old King". He had become thinner, almost skinny, and there was more grey than gold in his brow and hair now. He told Septon Barth and his two sons, "If there should be another war, it's you who must fight it, I have my roads to finish." Grand Maester Elysar remarks: "He had a better way with roads than daughters."
Viserra proved to be yet another trouble. Once she took six boys up to the Dragonpit and told them that she would give her virginity to the one who dared to put his head into the mouth of a dragon. Later she hopes to marry Baelon, (Alyssa had died of stillbirth by then) but not because she loves him. She just wants to be queen. "He married one sister, so why not another? I am much more beautiful than Alyssa ever was - you saw her herself. She had a crooked nose." After Alysanne arranged her betrothal to Theomore Manderly, the princess was not convinced. "If you like him, you can marry him, mother," she said.
In five years, Alysanne lost three of her daughters: Daella in 82, Alyssa in 84 and Viserra in 87. She was in great sorrow. Her other two daughters, Maegelle and Gael became the queen's constant companion and support. The queen found power in their presence, but nevertheless her thoughts more often and often went to the daughter who was not with her. Although Jaehaerys had banned it, Alysanne had committed himself to his disclosure and hired people to keep an eye on her own child on the other side of the Narrow Sea. She therefore knew that Saera was still in Lys and still in the pleasure house. She had Septon Barth to talk about how forgiveness is a virtue, and time heals all sores. When Barth was finished, she pleaded with the king to bring Saera home.
The mad Prince Morion Martell had a crazy the plan to invade the Stormland by sea. Building the first fleet in thousands of years since Nymeria, Jaehaerys knew his assault plan half a year before Morion sailed. And Morion three dragons waited his fleet at sea. One after another the ships went up in flames. They were still burning when the sun went down, "like a hundred lightning spikes fleeing on the water." There were burned bodies on the Cape Wrath coasts for half a year thereafter, but no living Dornishmen ever set foot on the shores of Stormland. Even Aegon the Conqueror had never won a war without losing a single man.
Daella's death is the seed for the First Quarrel.
Saera smuggled cats into Daella's bedroom, filled Daella's night pot with bees, stole all the white cloaks she could find and colored them shining. At 13 she told the king that she was planning to marry the prince of Dorne, or perhaps the King of the Wall, so she could be queen like her mother. At 15 she turned her eyes: why the dreams of fiery monarchs, when she could have as many great armed men and knights as she wanted? After got caught in the whorehouse and questioned before her parents, she said, "I'd like to get married, why did not I? You were already married when you were my age. But with whom? Jonah and Roy both love me so I could take either of them, but they are the pure puppies. The Wasp does not love me, but he makes me smile, and sometimes he makes me scream. I could marry them all three, why not? Why are you just having a single husband? Aegon had two wives, and Maegor had six or eight." She had gone too far. Jaehaerys got up and stepped down from the Iron throne, face trembling with anger. "Do you compare yourself with Maegor? Is that what you aim for? Get her back to her sleep comfort," he commanded his guards. "And let her stay there until I send her a message."
Jonah and Roy were exiled, and Jaehaerys told Braxten Beesbury, "I could have you castrate and sent to the wall, that was what I did to Sir Lucamore, and he was a better man than you. I could take your father's land, but there would be no justice. He had no part in what you did. But we also can not let you go and spread rumors about my daughter so we intend to take your tongue. And your nose as well, I think, so you get a little harder to contemplate young ladies. You are too proud of your skills with swords and lances, so we will also take that away from you. We're going to break your arms and legs, and my maesters will make sure they are twisted back together." So Braxten chose trial by combat.
After that Jaehaerys became the "Old King". He had become thinner, almost skinny, and there was more grey than gold in his brow and hair now. He told Septon Barth and his two sons, "If there should be another war, it's you who must fight it, I have my roads to finish." Grand Maester Elysar remarks: "He had a better way with roads than daughters."
Viserra proved to be yet another trouble. Once she took six boys up to the Dragonpit and told them that she would give her virginity to the one who dared to put his head into the mouth of a dragon. Later she hopes to marry Baelon, (Alyssa had died of stillbirth by then) but not because she loves him. She just wants to be queen. "He married one sister, so why not another? I am much more beautiful than Alyssa ever was - you saw her herself. She had a crooked nose." After Alysanne arranged her betrothal to Theomore Manderly, the princess was not convinced. "If you like him, you can marry him, mother," she said.
In five years, Alysanne lost three of her daughters: Daella in 82, Alyssa in 84 and Viserra in 87. She was in great sorrow. Her other two daughters, Maegelle and Gael became the queen's constant companion and support. The queen found power in their presence, but nevertheless her thoughts more often and often went to the daughter who was not with her. Although Jaehaerys had banned it, Alysanne had committed himself to his disclosure and hired people to keep an eye on her own child on the other side of the Narrow Sea. She therefore knew that Saera was still in Lys and still in the pleasure house. She had Septon Barth to talk about how forgiveness is a virtue, and time heals all sores. When Barth was finished, she pleaded with the king to bring Saera home.
Ну да они и сами как родители хороши, понарожали и не воспитывали нифига. Мегатипичная картина крч.Морион why u so noob
Shtee
Знаменосец
Да избаловали и не воспитывали нифига что одну, что другую, и мозги на место вовремя не ставили. А потом ох-ах-чому наши дочки такие ужасные-как жыть. Такие-то проблемы простых смертных, эх.
Daena
Знаменосец
Вот интересно, которая из дочерей была драконьим всадником. Эймон, наверное, был наездником Мелеис, и после него дракона оседлала его дочь. Караксес мог быть драконом Бейлона, отца Деймона. Вейгона называли бездраконьим.
Мы одно время полагали, что дочерям Джейхейриса драконов не дали вовсе, но на Вхагар кто-то ездил. Это не Мейгель, не Сейра, не Визерра и не Гейль. Алисса? Или Дейнерис, которая заменила покойного Эйгона?
Shtee
Знаменосец
Вот очень вероятно, иначе зачем ее вообще было втыкать в ранее имевшийся вариант.